Comments for Out-Foxing Fox: Times Totes Water for War Crime Spin at http://www.chris-floyd.com , comment 1 to 17 out of 17 comments http://www.chris-floyd.com Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:40:16 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-8024 "GG and his peers probably think that the NY Times backs Zionist Israel because publisher Pinch Sulzberger is a Jew." Yet another fool who decides to assert his straw man resides in my mind. CFR works for the folks at Needlethread Street, City of London. Do any of you ill educated lot even know what that means? (There is an Ophalus nearby ... go sit on it .. :) - General Grant Thu, 29 May 2008 05:22:53 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7949 Francis, what exactly is your problem with Iran, why do you want to "subvert it by trade," and why do you think that your view of "democracy" is what they need? - Evan Rhood Sat, 24 May 2008 00:36:39 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7948 I agree with the tenor of your article...except for the translated quotation. The correct version in Latin is: "ceterum censio carthaginem esse delendam" - and means - Furthermore "Carthage (Iran) should be destroyed. In any case Iran neither is nor should be destroyed - but effectively contained and intelligently subversed by trade and the active promotion of Democracy. However and furthermore, Bush should be impeached. Francis - Francis von Schoenborn Fri, 23 May 2008 18:07:13 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7943 Not to mention it has been shrub less , a landscaping statement I guess . The Times has many resources which surprisingly are the equal of mr gordon . - gadzooks Thu, 22 May 2008 19:00:10 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7942 My own feelings about the Council on Foreign Relations are mixed. I know there are a lot of major pigs involved in CFR. I also know that thinkers such as Lewis H. Lapham belong to CFR. Because there are hundreds of members, I expect CFR doesn't have a single mind or a single outlook or a group opinion of anything. Lapham and perhaps Sulzberger and other journalists probably belong as much to cultivate sources as for any other reason. So it isn't CFR membership that bothers me about Sulzberger -- it's his connections with the CIA. - jimmythem Thu, 22 May 2008 18:40:32 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7941 [quote]GG and his peers probably think that the NY Times backs Zionist Israel because publisher Pinch Sulzberger is a Jew. I don't know if they look far enough past Sulzberger's Jewishness to see that he's a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and known to collaborate with the CIA. Thus they don't understand that the Times' support for Zionist Israel may have more to do with the fact that Sulzberger is a crypto-Nazi (AKA New Liberal) than with the fact of his Jewishness.[/quote] Exactly, Jimmy. Although, if you spend time at InformationClearingHouse, you will read stuff from the Jew-hater/Jew-baiter crowd who say that the CFR is another "Jewish cabal." These anti-Jew people find "Jewish control" everywhere they look and they determine "Jewishness" by assessing people's names. In the early days of Bush/Cheney there were idiot bigots who thought Don Rumsfeld was a Jew because he has a "Jewish name." What morons. There is no such thing as a "Jewish name." And when it comes right down to it, those like Pinch Sulzberger do what they do for personal gain of monetary and power privileges, and not to advance a "Jewish agenda." They are too busy being in league with bigoted WASPs and other White Protestants like Rumsfeld, people who have no allegiance to a "Jewish agenda," no more than they have an allegiance to "promoting democracy" on a global or domestic level. Blame The Joooos is a tired old game. But there are many who like tired old games, despite their fraudulent nature. - Evan Rhood Thu, 22 May 2008 17:40:34 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7940 Chris, Perhaps you would consider spearheading a project to revive LOOT (Lies of Our Times). LOOT was one of the best political rags of the early nineties along with Z Mag. And Chomsky, who contributed greatly to both those magazines' success has been writing about the Times for years and years. I don't know if there is a database of LOOT articles available on-line but all of Chomsky's contributions can be found at http://www.chomsky.info For anyone who missed LOOT: Lies of Our Times ((LOOT) A Magazine to Correct the Record) was published between January 1990 and December 1994. It served not only as a general media critic, but as a watchdog of The New York Times, which the magazine referred to as "the most cited news medium in the U.S., our paper of record." In 1995, Lies of Our Times won the Orwell Award, given out annually by the National Council of Teachers of English for outstanding contributions to the critical analysis of public discourse. - Willy McFly Thu, 22 May 2008 16:41:40 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7938 FYI -- Those who don't read Moon of Alabama may not know that "The New American Century Has Ended." Says the Moon -- "The New American Century Has Ended "Apparently for financial reasons, the new American century has prematurely ended. "In a symbolic act, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), run by Bill Kristol and other neocons, has lost its internet presence. "When accessing www.newamericancentury.org one now gets redirected to the webhosters 'account suspended' page. "It says: "Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible. "The website was hosted by btnaccess.com which is a subsidary of Hong Kong based PCCW Global. "PNAC is unable to pay for the new American century and the Chinese, after checking America's sinking FICO scores, are obviously not willing to finance it with further credit lines. "Signs of the times ... " - jimmythem Thu, 22 May 2008 15:24:13 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7937 GG and his peers probably think that the NY Times backs Zionist Israel because publisher Pinch Sulzberger is a Jew. I don't know if they look far enough past Sulzberger's Jewishness to see that he's a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and known to collaborate with the CIA. Thus they don't understand that the Times' support for Zionist Israel may have more to do with the fact that Sulzberger is a crypto-Nazi (AKA New Liberal) than with the fact of his Jewishness. - jimmythem Thu, 22 May 2008 15:15:38 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7936 I know, Grandma. Part of the frustration of e-forums is that such people as OFU exist and it's damned hard to not respond to their provocations, insults, defamation. I see them as the sorts of people who try to impugn the credibility of the blogger/essayist/author by raising doubts about that writer, usually doubts of the sort that make the writer seem unhinged. In a group conversation in person, such pot-shotting can be answered quickly with challenges, and before the pot-shot registers in anyone's mind, it is dissected with challenging questions and defiant demands to prove the bogus allegations. In the long run they're often best ignored but that route is very hard for me to follow. However, since Mr Floyd already de-pantsed The Fake General, I was less inclined to rend him with my verbal cavalry saber. - Evan Rhood Thu, 22 May 2008 15:10:05 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7935 Two great responses Evan, as always. I didn't think OFU deserved the compliment of rational argument, which takes far more time than his moonbat ravings are worth. ;-) - Grandma Jefferson Thu, 22 May 2008 10:47:22 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7932 Grandma, I don't think Our Fake Ulysses is off his meds. I think the problem with OFU is that he lives and works in a subculture in which he is the sane one among many who are far worse off. The entire lot of them should be lobotomized, pithed like lab rats. - Evan Rhood Thu, 22 May 2008 05:53:29 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7931 The first three paragraphs of this essay are essential reading at any time, and could almost stand on their own without the excellent reporting that followed those 3 paragraphs. They put a perfect perspective on the charade of our "news" media. And that response to General Grant wasn't half bad either! - Evan Rhood Thu, 22 May 2008 05:51:36 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7930 gg, nursey doesn't like it when you go off your meds and commandeer the game-room computer. Now go crawl back to the gurney, it's time for another jolt of that "treatment". - Grandma Jefferson Thu, 22 May 2008 03:31:56 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7929 Chris, Do get a grip. One hopes you exercise greater care with other sources of information! Trying asking people's opinion first. The folks over at Threadneedle street in the City of London have a different understanding of my post than you do ... now go crawl under the "safety blanket" of your presumed working Press in USA. - General Grant Thu, 22 May 2008 01:46:47 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7927 Oh joy, a Zogger has landed! Another one of those American exceptionalists who believe that good ole WASPy "real" Americans would never commit war crimes or do anything bad without dem ole devil Jews tricking them into it. That's right, Sparky, Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld wouldn't hurt a fly; they're just dupes of masterminds like, er, Doug Feith. Why, they'd never try to dominate the world's oil supplies on their own, would they? Why should they? No gentile in the world has ever cared about money and power, right? It must be nice to have a nice comfy security blanket to wrap around your brain and explain the big, scary, complicated world for you. But doesn't the air get stale in there? - chris Wed, 21 May 2008 22:46:50 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1516/135/#comment-7925 New York Times is an organ of the Zionist Occupation Regime. Certainly the War Crimes Tribunal will try workers in that propaganda organ, count on it. - General Grant Wed, 21 May 2008 22:13:08 +0100