Comments for Shotgun Wedding: The Saint, the Insurgent and the Surge's "Success" at http://www.chris-floyd.com , comment 1 to 19 out of 19 comments http://www.chris-floyd.com Mon, 12 May 2008 06:19:18 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5795 I can't delete your post. If it got deleted, either you did it or there was a coding error. - The Wendigo Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:50:13 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5794 The Wendigo: Kim, I don't think you're disagreeing wi http://cbfz.blogspot.com the entire attack was predicated on following the Zionist goal of weakening an enemy of Israel by breaking it up, and that goal is logically inconsistent with Western oil exploitation, and has been since the Zionists first planned the attack. Most of what you mention, I've already considered, and I agree with. But "the Zionists" didn't plan this attack, Kim. Your claiming such in a conclusion doesn't make it true. - hanna, kim Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:50:24 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5779 [quote]the entire attack was predicated on following the Zionist goal of weakening an enemy of Israel by breaking it up, and that goal is logically inconsistent with Western oil exploitation, and has been since the Zionists first planned the attack. [/quote] Most of what you mention, I've already considered, and I agree with. But "the Zionists" didn't plan this attack, Kim. Your claiming such in a conclusion doesn't make it true. And even if it is true, it doesn't contradict anything that you quoted. I assume that Zionist interests are being advanced in the Iraq adventure. Those interests would not even exist if the US and UK hadn't created Israel where it did, Kim. You think Zionists call the shots? Bring the proof, Kim. Not just a bunch of Mike Rivero paranoia. - The Wendigo Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:00:51 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5778 no point in replying. Better things to do. The Wendigo: ... http://cbfz/blogspot.com the entire attack was predicated on following the Zionist goal of weakening an enemy of Israel by breaking it up, and that goal is logically inconsistent with Western oil exploitation, and has been since the Zionists first planned the attack. A very interesting theory, but I think it's unlikely. We do not do Israel's bidding. Israel does OUR bidding. Israel exists to do the bidding of UK and US interests relative to war, torture, espionage, cultural oppression, and technological advances related to all of the foregoing. How exactly would this work, the US doing Israel's bidding? How? And where is the proof, other than post hoc, ergo propter hoc? I realize that the influence of AIPAC is huge and that we seem to farm a lot of money to Israel. But does anyone who looks at that angle ever wonder what certain US and UK interests get in return for the aid given Israel? I think that's where most theories on Israel being the puppet master necessarily fall apart. People seem willing to stop their analysis at the notion of AIPAC influence and US/UK aid to Israel. - kim hanna Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:59:37 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5762 I'm reading a big fat book about the Thirty Years War. Here's a sentence from that book: "The inadequate and biased transmission of news, and the profitable dissemination of nonsense, barred the general public from any intelligent or concerted participation in politics, and made democracy impossible." - Eric in Hiroshima Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:51:06 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5760 [quote]the entire attack was predicated on following the Zionist goal of weakening an enemy of Israel by breaking it up, and that goal is logically inconsistent with Western oil exploitation, and has been since the Zionists first planned the attack.[/quote] A very interesting theory, but I think it's unlikely. We do not do Israel's bidding. Israel does OUR bidding. Israel exists to do the bidding of UK and US interests relative to war, torture, espionage, cultural oppression, and technological advances related to all of the foregoing. How exactly would this work, the US doing Israel's bidding? How? And where is the proof, other than [i]post hoc, ergo propter hoc[/i]? I realize that the influence of AIPAC is huge and that we seem to farm a lot of money to Israel. But does anyone who looks at that angle ever wonder what certain US and UK interests get in return for the aid given Israel? I think that's where most theories on Israel being the puppet master necessarily fall apart. People seem willing to stop their analysis at the notion of AIPAC influence and US/UK aid to Israel. Just follow the money. That's all you need to do. Follow the money. And then ask yourself whether there just may be an interest or two of certain US or UK businesses that can be served by Israeli agenda items and acts according to those agenda items. That's where the truth lies. This isn't to say that we should ignore AIPAC's influence, nor the ridiculous fact of giving so much damned aid to Israel. Rather, it's to say that the analysis should go beyond that perspective. - The Wendigo Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:54:34 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5759 ...and the "dittoheads" say, "Hey! Did you see that Jets' touchdown? WOW!!!" - Big Dan Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:25:59 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5758 It's called "cherry-picking" the story. You report on one little point in time that was good, within a huge amount that was overall bad. Let's say, the Patriots beat the Jets 42-7...and they show only the highlights of the Jets only touchdown, a "bomb" (pun intended), and NO highlights of the Pats 42 points!!! And furthermore, don't tell you the Jets lost 42-7!!! They think we're stupid, is what it comes down to... - Big Dan Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:23:55 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5749 [quote]These half-assed proto-nazis have no idea what they are doing and no idea the forces they have unleashed - either domestically, internationally, or - yes, I said it: spiritually. [/quote] I think it more likely that you cannot believe their goals were such incredible destruction and endless warring. You seem to think that Imperialism isn't served by the mechanics of the Bush-Cheney Crime Syndicate. I think maybe you need to stop defining imperialism with your terms, and start defining it with THEIR terms because those are the terms that matter to the analysis of whether they "know what they are doing" or "intended these results." I believe that this is not a religious crusade in ANY aspect, but instead is a cultural crusade: Robber Baron Capitalism vs EVERYONE ELSE. It's a power/wealth crusade. A crusade designed to demoralize and long-term weaken everything but themselves and their own private caches of wealth. Devaluing the US Dollar doesn't hurt the Syndicate. They have many avenues to follow. They can trade currency. They can invest in other vehicles that are based on higher-valued currency. And remember one possibility -- though I'm not sure of its strength or grip on the Syndicate's collective conscience -- and that is, destroy the US Dollar and then synthesize USA-Mexico-Canada and create the Amero. - The Wendigo Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:49:58 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5747 Today America celebrates it's brave killers. Props up the old ,to suck in the new killers. Send them off with flag to slaughter for our high ideals. Oh what a blessed holdiay. Aint we lucky. - onegreenday Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:32:19 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5741 Keeping the oil off the market for a while benefits a narrow constituency. That is not Imperial politics. We cannot postulate, in the same breath, a hundred-year Imperial conspiracy as well as a gangster-capitalist cabal that cares not a whit for the consequences of it's actions. I am sorry that it falls to the one real self-declared fantasist here to point this out, but I will. Your 'Terrible Enemy' is in fact a great big fuck-up. The house of cards is coming down very soon, wether they pull the trigger on Iran or not. Montague's link to Whitney is very timely and very relevant. These half-assed proto-nazis have no idea what they are doing and no idea the forces they have unleashed - either domestically, internationally, or - yes, I said it: spiritually. I do not fear them. They intend to rule, but I say: They will not. Position yourselves to help in the restructuring of the nation. Scott - scott douglas Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:34:05 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5740 I suppose the aim might have been to simply keep the oil off the market for a while. The disintegration of Iraq into petty feifdoms controlled by local warlords may be unstable enough to prevent a "national" unity forming, which probably serves the oil corporations interest well enough for now. China struggled along for decades under such chaos, wait and see, I guess. - Donald L. Smith Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:32:44 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5739 I gory shot a lead round in the butt taking a dump. I've been in the rear with momma-son getting my Laundry done. Warning: I grab a V-shaped stick. Then I go get a get shook dead, and get splattered on the field- a poor dead groundhog has got greasy-grime groundhog guts. Then when the singe tendons drys-guts are ready, sunshine dried, I'll homemakers a homemade slingshot. Each varmint feline critter I lay my eyes on gets a Pee-T-S-D pebble stone, passed from the hen's gall bladder. Then, barn! A animal survival instinct kickers-in like a faithful plow-mule-arse, kicks and fart, warnings. No cat mulls around here for long when a Marine Aqua-duck ring is colored around a duck's neck. The sky is shining up there real blue. Once in awhile, post-rainy-snowy, on Veterans Date, it use to feel like Dooms day? Tin hat? Just a billy goat kid on billy goat veterinarian day. Jim Montague. A Happy Tin Fooling Tin Foil Hat Day to you and half-brain, wounded heart, and Sick-of- death day, too, atiya. Today! - brotherbruz Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:03:22 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5738 Bruz, throw away your Iver Johnson and invest in some cat food. I won't patrol your garden but, when the blue meanies finally get me, I will leave Clio the Wonder Cat in your custody. SHE will patrol your garden, and god help that measley doberman-pinchrat thing if he/she/it is still around when Clio gets there. Meantime you might want to know that Mike Whitney has a VERY GOOD piece up on Counterpunch right now. It's called "For Whom the Closing Bell Tolls: The Last Dead Bull on Wall Street." Don't miss it. It's good to see you back here. I've been missing you for a while. - jimmythem Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:38:48 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5737 Sunni ReUnion: 'shia never meant anything to me, baby' In March '03, I listened to NPR at work as the troops invaded. The reports of fedeyeen suicide companies vainly charging the flanks of the advancing Marines in southern Iraq were already all over the news accounts. Noticing my attention to the radio, one customer asked me how "we" were doing against "the ragheads." I replied: "Bad news - the 'ragheads' are fighting." Anyone with any sense knew that a decades-old, Sunni, one-party-state apparatus was not going to melt away and vanish without a fight; and when the insurgency started to ramp up, I sat around with friends and tried to imagine how the U.S. would extricate itself from this ludicrous error of neo-colonial hubris...We figured the Americans would step aside and have the Saudis and the French and the Russians rearm and promote the rump Ba'ath in order to fix the mistake in exchange for a cut of the loot...Well, the Sunni insurgency has fought us to a standstill and the Americans have simply switched sides - openly and with very little cover story. Al-Qa'ida. ha. yeah; right. That sounds good. Go with that. The Russians? F' the Russians. Yes, Chris: the program was always divide and conquer. The West Bank/Sharon option. Chaos enabling kleptomania. I agree with all of these insights. But at base, if there is no order, the oil cannot be extracted. There will be no real (Western, corporate) profit without a return of the very governing forces we deposed. That is what is coming and has been the only option for years. Whole lot of people had to be chewed to pieces before the monster-gangsters got their heads around it. And, of course, the current too-cozy Shia Iraq - Shia Iran boyhood friendship thing will have to be broken up, fast, before something inappropriate takes hold. For their own good, of course. And the oil. I am amazed that the implications of the current situation in Iraq receive almost no comment or analysis anywhere in the press. Even Dr. Cole has not really grasped what is happening. Most of the left-blog world seems sadly stunned that Bush has won his surge extension and just started to accept that the war has been "won," after all. Yours is the first coherent commentary I have seen on this shift, as usual. The titanic backlash that will accompany the destruction of Iran and the crumpling of the Shia government in Baghdad may indeed result in the rise of a Sunni strongman to replace our man, Saddam, and with our connivance. But I don't think the Americans will be welcome anywhere in the region when the dust settles. This entire adventure will be the end of the empire, in our lifetimes: God willing - as the Mohammedan says... Scott - scott douglas Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:46:06 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5736 The computer goes down. The effort to get back on-line fails. The phone line is busy- so says the contraption. okay? Oh, ah. Or is somebody else busy fiddling around snooping? Can Jim Montague be the guard dog 'round here? There are some people who are so sold-rot-oat-out 'they' will sneak into the penguin coop to steal eggs. Who knows? I believe the government snoops may try to scoop up the 'stuff' at the bottom of the outhouse barrel for something to eat? The steal everything. They have no-good reputations, and they are so vice-creepy. It's dumbfounding to me. - brotherbruz Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:35:10 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5734 Next Saint David will hug Upus? He has to love Penguins? Maybe he shoots to kill penguins like Opus? Unlovable. Read once. Drink 2-beers. - Arthur James Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:04:11 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5733 It took me awhile. The shotgun story at the end made it clear. How they get weapons? I'm angry because somebody stole a 3rd generation, hand-me-down, Iver Johnson, shotgun. Who? It has a pitted bore, single cock, and breaks open to reload. It has a new Cherry Wood stock. It won't hit a broad side of a brick shit house. I had to get a doberman pincher to protect the backyard garden. And the nasty mutt don't just pinch groundhogs either! He shakes them to death. Unbelievable- What deluded Murderous Human Mongrel Beast we see. What do they like to be called? killers, deluded, slumbering walking dead- thugs just waiting for evil spirit dimensions to sweep them to Hades, Sheol, Shit House, Gehenna's hell? Croak. They flit about and try to hide their SHAME, and seem to like, enjoy, to be pathological pro-war politico's. Chris Floyd. You Need To Be encouraged? Watch and gaze all morn at those Hellions on Sunday News Shows. Meet The Press may Cheer us up? It's bad commode. I'll have to write a piece for Kastelein? No Write Stupid Comment here. Maybe I could use a Walk in Fondue Park and watch topless Ladies stroll baby buggies. They still do that. I was there in the 70's and they did do data. Darn! wow. I thought the war ended for a moment. Chris, Listen to Chris Cook and ask him to cook pea soup? Maybe Mike Whitney has a few pea shoots? I get a bit goofy in response to all the murder. But I can live with that. I need to go bowling with William Bowles? Does he bowl ten-pins or duck-pins? No shoot ducks. God's spirit punchers, sick ain't them? No you Floyd etc., the people you inform us about. At DEATH- O, boy! THEN, 'arum-huh, will be sorry. it will be too late for any party on Earth. Hell to them. I'd just come from Atlantic Free Press. It's free! That's the reason those writers were respectfully mentioned. - brotherbruz Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:04:26 +0100 http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1348/135/#comment-5730 How is it that the "insurgents" in Iraq, seem to have an endless supply of weapons and ammunition? Where are they getting this supply? Guns don’t appear from nowhere. Many of the weapons confiscated are American made guns. Some are soviet made. The ammunition however, is mostly American? This made no sense to me. So I decided to try to find out where the guns and ammo that the insurgents were using are coming from. I was not surprised to find out that despite the hype that Iran was responsible for the arms flow to insurgents in Iraq, there is strong evidence that the United States itself is responsible for most of the ammo supplied to the "insurgency." My guess is that [b]Bush thugs[/b] have decided to keep the conflict going by giving everybody a reason to hate Iran. That way they can eventually point the finger at them, accusing them of arming the insurgency in Iraq. So yes, unfortunately, the ammunition used by the insurgency, is probably ammo that was "stolen" or "unaccounted for" at the Pentagon. [b]Sources: [/b] [url]http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12446.html[/url] [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/23/AR2007092301431.html[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/world/middleeast/11iraq.html[/url] [url]http://infowars.com/articles/iraq/insurgents_us_arming_sunni_insurgents_in_iraq.htm[/url] - 53.KAW.68897 Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:04:36 +0100