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The Wounded Shark: 'Good War' Lost, But the Imperial Project Goes On
Written by Chris Floyd   
Don't tell Obama and McCain, but the war they are both counting on to make their bones as commander-in-chief -- the "good war" in Afghanistan, which both men have pledged to expand -- is already lost. Their joint strategy of pouring more troops, tanks, missiles and planes into the roaring fire -- not to mention their intention to spread the war into Pakistan -- will only lead to disaster.

Who says so? America's biggest ally in the Afghan adventure: Great Britain. This week, two top figures in the British effort in Afghanistan -- Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles, UK ambassador to Kabul, and Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith, the senior British military commander in Afghanistan -- both said that the war was "unwinnable," and that continuing the current level of military operations there, much less expanding it, was a strategy "doomed to fail."

The biggest headlines went to the comments by Cowper-Coles, whose frank assessment was quoted in a secret French diplomatic cable that was published by a muckraking French magazine last week. Cowper-Coles put it plainly:

The current situation is bad, the security situation is getting worse, so is corruption, and the government has lost all trust....The presence of the coalition, in particular its military presence, is part of the problem, not part of its solution. Foreign forces are the lifeline of a regime that would rapidly collapse without them. As such, they slow down and complicate a possible emergence from the crisis.

These are indisputable facts that have been glaringly obvious to most sentient observers for many years. Yet the diplomat's acknowledgement of reality has been greeted as a shocking breach of decorum by his fellow professional liars in Anglo-American officialdom. His brief outburst of truth (which, to be fair to the good knight, was meant to be in secret; he didn't mean to tell the public the truth!) was quickly disavowed in Washington and London. Although the cable's authenticity was not in question, the UK Foreign Office said that their ambassador's comments "did not reflect official British policy."

That is certainly the unvarnished truth, for "official British policy" has long been to "do whatever the hell the Americans tell us to do." Cowper-Coles was upfront about this too:

Acknowledging that there is no option other than supporting the Americans in Afghanistan, the ambassador reportedly added, "but we must tell them that we want to be part of a winning strategy, not a losing one.” The American strategy, he is quoted as saying, “is destined to fail.”

Then, just when the Brits thought they were putting a lid on a story that was most displeasing to their Potomac masters, their top military officer in Afghanistan confirmed and amplified the ambassador's analysis in an interview with The Times. Speaking after his unit's second tour on the battlefield in Afghanistan, Brigadier Carleton-Smith said bluntly:

“We’re not going to win this war....We want to change the nature of the debate from one where disputes are settled through the barrel of the gun to one where it is done through negotiations,” Carleton-Smith said. "If the Taliban were prepared to sit on the other side of the table and talk about a political settlement, then that’s precisely the sort of progress that concludes insurgencies like this. That shouldn’t make people uncomfortable.”

The American-installed president of Afghanistan, former oil company factotum Hamid Karzai, echoed the British assessment. In fact, he went so far as to invite Taliban supremo Mullah Omar -- ranked just a notch below Osama bin Laden in official American demonology -- to return to the country for peace talks, with full guarantees for his personal safety and liberty. Omar quickly rejected the overture, but there is clearly a growing consensus for a negotiated settlement.

A consensus everywhere but Washington, that is. There, in the marbled courts of the Potomac Empire, fierce factional opponents such as Barack Obama and John McCain are marching lock-step with George W. Bush on escalating the war in Afghanistan: more troops, more airstrikes, more "collateral damage."

This bipartisan Washington strategy was distilled perfectly by none other than Karl Rove, the ostensibly retired Bush Regime mastermind who is now working behind the scenes for McCain. As Eric Margolis reports in the Edmonton Sun:

I recently asked Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's former senior adviser, how this seemingly impossible war could be won. His eyes dancing with imperial hubris, Rove replied, "More Predators (missile armed drones) and helicopters!"

It sounds like Rove is giving Obama advice on Afghanistan as well. The Democratic candidate's stated polices on the conflict dovetail exactly with those of Rove, Bush and McCain: Thousands of more troops. More military hardware. More drone missile strikes, not only in Afghanistan but in Pakistan as well. Obama has also pledged to pressure the Europeans to send more troops and hardware of their own to Afghanistan, with "fewer restrictions" on their combat operations.

In other words, the American political establishment is committed to plunging headlong into what almost all outside experts -- including America's closest allies, not to mention the Afghans themselves -- say will be a bloodsoaked, botched catastrophe.

Both Obama and McCain have loudly proclaimed themselves to be agents of "change." And on Afghanistan, we can see that these two wise statesmen are telling the truth. No matter who wins, we will see great change in Afghanistan -- for the worse.

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All of this is most curious. The ostensible reason given for the seven long years of continuous death and destruction in Afghanistan -- and the justification for its escalation for many years to come -- is, of course, the 9/11 attacks in the United States. But even if for some reason you took the official account of 9/11 as the gospel truth in every respect, Afghanistan played no role in it at all. We are told that the attack was masterminded by bin Laden's Karl Rove, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- who operated in Pakistan. We are told that the other conspirators operated mostly in Germany -- and the United States. There has never been any evidence presented that the Taliban regime in Afghanistan had the slightest operational role -- or even the slightest knowledge -- of an attack on the United States.

On the other hand, there is a good deal of credible evidence that the United States promised to attack Afghanistan -- months before 9/11 -- if the Taliban didn't play ball on oil deals and other issues. There is evidence that even before the attacks, the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over to international justice, if evidence of his involvement in terrorism was presented. This offer was repeated even more frantically after 9/11. But as for evidence of Afghan involvement in 9/11, there is none.

Thus the only ostensible reason given for the seven-year U.S.-NATO onslaught in Afghanistan is that the Taliban regime gave refuge to bin Laden and his small organization after they were kicked out of Sudan. This was done with the backing of one of the Taliban's closest allies at the time: the Bush Family's business partners, the Saudi royal family. And as Margolis notes, bin Laden, whatever else he might be, was also a national hero in Afghanistan for his part in the Washington-backed holy war against the Soviets.

But for taking in Osama (himself the scion of yet another Bush business partner, the Bin Laden family), at the request of America's ally, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan has had to pay with the innocent blood of tens of thousands of its people, and with seven years of war, chaos, terror and ruin. Even though they had nothing to do with 9/11. Even though they had offered to give bin Laden up for an internationally monitored trial.

But as Margolis notes:

...the current war is not really about al-Qaida and "terrorism," but about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to export the oil and gas riches of the Caspian Basin to the West.

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Yet beyond these more immediate, gritty concerns, there is also the blind, iron logic of perpetual war that drives any imperial power. Like a shark, it must keep moving, must keep the water churning, obscured with clouds of blood and fear -- or else it will stand revealed as the naked, brutish, pointless thing that it is: a bestial lust for domination, a secretion of the chemical mud that lies in the lower swamps of our misfiring, imperfect brains. Every imperial project bedecks itself with high-flown rhetoric and shining, self-glorifying, emotion-rousing ideals. These are internalized by millions of individuals, who are then unable to see the world in any other way. Whatever is done in the name of these ideals is rational, reasonable and right; anything that threatens their primacy and authenticity is evil, insane and worthy of destruction.

(This dynamic doesn't apply solely to imperialism, of course. Any all-consuming mythology of meaning and explanation can generate this kind of blind, partisan passion -- as the current presidential campaign illustrates so well, on both sides.)

That's why an empire must keep marching, and roaring in the thought-obliterating noise of war and fear. Peace gives space for reflection, for questioning, for the development of a more human, more humane response to reality. And all of these are deadly to the mud-brain lust for domination, and to the inflated rhetoric that cloaks it. For when empires stop -- or are stopped -- the meaninglessness of the entire project is laid bare.

In his new book, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler: The Age of Social Catastrophe, Robert Gellately quote from the remarkable collection of reportage and private writings by the Russian novelist Vassily Grossman, who covered almost every major Eastern battlefront in World War II. Grossman relates how Soviet soldiers were astounded by the level of comfort and wealth in Germany -- even in the ruined Germany of 1945. Grossman writes:

...our soldiers started to ask themselves, why did the Germans attack us so suddenly? Millions of our men have now seen the rich farms in East Prussia, the highly organized agriculture, the concrete sheds for livestock, spacious rooms, carpets, wardrobes full of clothes. They saw all the paved roads and what was by comparison boundless plenty and luxury and asked themselves plaintively: 'But why did they come to us? What did they want?"

It is not hard to imagine someone in Afghanistan or Iraq looking at the lives of most Americans and asking the same questions. The Germans left their spacious rooms and carpets to slaughter millions of people in foreign lands because they had internalized the emotion-laden, self-glorifying ideals of an imperial project, whose inherent, horrifying emptiness was finally exposed in the husk of a shriveled little man in a concrete bunker putting a bullet through his brain. There was no point to it all.

The imperial desire to hold sway over the distribution lines of the world's oil resources is an immediate impetus behind the destruction of Afghanistan. But the particular pathology of the American elite, especially the Bush Faction, has dictated the particular form this desire for domination has taken. In an excellent essay-review of several new books on the "War on Terror," Pankaj Mishra notes a telling example of the Potomac mindset:

Busy unleashing his awesome firepower on Iraq, Rumsfeld had no idea what to do after his streamlined army reached Baghdad, apart from letting stuff happen. Wiser in Battle, the memoir of the US lieutenant general Ricardo Sanchez (HarperCollins), reveals that, as the Iraqi resistance unexpectedly intensified, the defeat in Vietnam began to prey on Bush's mind, unraveling his syntax as he harangued his commanders in Iraq:

Kick ass! ... We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal ... There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!


Anyone who has read Hitler's "table talk" will feel a shiver of familiarity -- and revulsion -- when reading Bush's words. This is the voice of our mud-brain thrashing its way through broken fragments of higher-order thought. This is the voice of an imperial elite -- of our imperial elite.

[For more on how the myths and lies of imperial power are internalized, then acted out in malign, destructive ways, see this important new essay by Arthur Silber, "Perverse Priorities in a World of Lies."]

IV.
And so the meaningless imperial project will keep churning forward; this is one solemn campaign promise that we can count on the candidates to honor. The howling atrocity in Iraq will continue in one form or another, but it will now be compounded beyond measure by a new injection of murderous folly in Afghanistan -- a project doomed from the start, as Mishra notes:

As Tariq Ali bluntly clarifies in his new book The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power (Simon & Schuster), the post-9/11 project of "nation-building" in Afghanistan, which prioritised western interests over all others, was always doomed. It was "a top-down process", trying to create "an army constituted not to defend the nation but to impose order on its own people, on behalf of outside powers; a civil administration that will have no control over planning, health, education etc, all of which will be run by NGOs, whose employees will be far better paid than the locals, and answerable not to the population but to their overseas sponsors; and a government whose foreign policy is identical to Washington's."

American bombing raids, which have killed hundreds of civilians in Afghanistan, further unite fractious Afghans against foreign usurpers. Tariq Ali correctly prescribes skepticism against strategists and journalists who blame Pakistan for increasing attacks on western forces in Afghanistan while disregarding the fact that "many Afghans who detest the Taliban are so angered by the failures of NATO and the behaviour of its troops that they will support any opposition."

Mishra then concludes:

Seven years on, hundreds of thousands are dead, and millions of refugees on the move, while the US seems only to have boosted its old enemies in Afghanistan, Iran and Lebanon, and created formidable new ones in Iraq and Pakistan. In The War Within, Woodward shows the US president slipping deeper into his own world. "We're killin' 'em! We're killin' 'em all!" But not even the Bush administration, which has proved ready to do unspeakable things to its perceived enemies, can kill them all. It can continue to stage elaborate shock-and-awe spectacles, but if, as is increasingly evident, the target audience refuses to be impressed by them, they are rendered utterly futile - even dangerously counterproductive. "Force," as James Baldwin pointed out in the early 1970s during the US bombing of Indochina, "does not work the way its advocates seem to think it does. It does not, for instance, reveal to the victim the strength of his adversary. On the contrary, it reveals the weakness, even the panic of his adversary and this revelation invests the victim with patience."

...A gracious acceptance of the limits of US firepower may not be forthcoming from the next administration, which will face the hard choice to get out or fight on. Indeed, failure may make it even more determined to maintain the pride of US arms and the image of the mightiest power on earth. The prospect of humiliation in Vietnam was what prompted Nixon's devastation of Cambodia, setting the stage for the genocidal Pol Pot. As Hannah Arendt wrote, "when all signs pointed to defeat", the goal was "no longer one of avoiding humiliating defeat but of finding ways and means to avoid admitting it and 'save face'."

Could smashing up Iran or invading Pakistan become the face-saving formula for the exponents of "shock and awe"? ...[Such] is the crazy logic of a wounded militarism that, notwithstanding its battered economy, the US may soon be embattled on many more fronts in what is already its most damaging war.

The United States has lost its pointless war against the people of Afghanistan. Yet both the "progressive" standard-bearer and the "conservative" stalwart have sworn to expand the conflict. Both have internalized the rhetoric and beliefs of a violent imperial project. Both men have shown themselves too weak in truth to escape the fear of appearing weak in the false light of militarism.

What other horrible deeds will these weak men embrace to put off the humiliation of defeat? I think we may find that our darkest years are ahead of us, as the hollow core of imperial ambition is exposed, and a dreadful, mighty reckoning for its atrocities blows back against us with hurricane force.
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arthurdecco said:

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You've just taken both my breath and my hope away. A power like that should require being registered as a weapon. I pray my hope returns - I know that breath is gone forever.

This is one of the finest pieces of political opinion-making I have ever read. Period.
 
October 06, 2008
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dcnataro said:

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Yep. US imperialism will get played out to its end. Millions will die,
including many in the US. A desperate regime will shoot people down in the
streets and fill the already prepared prison camps with "those who get out
of line".

God. I make Arthur sound like Mr. Sunshine.
 
October 06, 2008
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Antifa said:

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Got No Choice . . .
The mad ideology that sends a well-stocked nation raping and pillaging the poor nations next door, or overseas, is not the root cause of the activity. It is secondary, it is the mental and emotional frenzy launched after a fundamental realization about existential survival is made.

In Germany's case, Hitler was the chosen figure of the wealthy class in his broken nation. He was anointed, and given free reign to "do the right thing" to get Germany's economy back into gear. He did this through placing Germany into overwhelming debt. By the time most Germans felt things were back on track, in the latter years of the 1930's, when people were well employed again, Germany was already heading for economic collapse, dire and sudden.

Hitler and his banker and industrialist friends had the option of walking away from their project, or taking it to the next level. They saw it as no choice at all. You did notice that they stuck with Hitler to the bitter end, didn't you? They knew that stopping imperial Germany would result in a collapsed Germany. They saw no choice in it.

America's need to rape and pillage poor nations overseas is a similar situation for our wealthy class. They can either find new digs in Paraguay, Dubai, and elsewhere -- or take their imperial project to the next level.

They see no choice in it. For America to remain their possession, they must possess that oil, own those pipelines, capture and rule those foreign territories. The fact that human beings live there, and are in the way of the imperial project -- is a problem as serious to them as the ants at your last picnic.

America won't quit. America will be stopped.
 
October 06, 2008
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JT said:

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Hope you're right, but maybe a bit too optimistic. Never underestimate the power of evil and greed. America has nuclear weapons - one can only imagine what someone like Hitler, in the losing days of WW2, would have done if he had the launch codes for thousands of ICBMs.
 
October 06, 2008
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Antifa said:

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Jesus Haitch -- look at this naked declaration of endless war.

The Army, in its wisdom, released its latest MSO this morning, its revised Manual for Stability Operations.

It reads like a declaration of piracy. The folks on the receiving end of this manual will feel like they've met Blackbeard himself. They've dropped any reference to spreading democracy. Now it is just "the Nation remains engaged in an era of persistent conflict against enemies intent on limiting American access and influence throughout the world."

War is for "American access and influence" now. No freedom spreadery. No winning of hearts and minds. No purple fingers needed. Just access and influence.

War is redefined in this 14MB PDF file as less combat, and more setting up American led local governments in "fragile states" whose fragility threatens our access to things that are good for our national security. I tell you what, boys. Anyone who's been watching Sudan knows that if a state isn't "fragile" to begin with, there are ways of making it fragile. Making yourself needed, so you can ride in on a white horse and make yourself useful.

The Army is dedicated to "a range of military tasks to stabilize ungoverned nations: protecting the people; aiding reconstruction; providing aid and public services; building institutions and security forces; and, in severe cases, forming transitional U.S. military-led governments."

The State, the American nation, is not worrying about its own citizens having jobs, homes, healthcare, knowledge, safety, or any other damn thing. The State is worrying about having access and influence in any country on the planet where it wants to have access and influence.

Does that sound like a representative democracy to you? Does it sound like it will lead us back to, or forward to, democratic government?
 
October 06, 2008
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arthurdecco said:

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Two thought-provoking and powerfully persuasive commentaries on Mr. Floyd's article and on our collective future, Antifa. Thank you.
 
October 06, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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I agree with Arthur Decco -- which may be a first for me! Anyway, thanks for those two posts antifa.
 
October 06, 2008
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Paul J said:

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A really awesome essay, Chris! Incredible how you take all this from an existential height (or should I say depth?). Sadly, tragically, you're bound to be right that the imperial power will only go down "bringing death and destruction to the four corners of the earth" (Bush in a further unguarded moment). You said it all.
 
October 06, 2008
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scott douglas said:

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The Art of Enduring Chris: When he says 'low comedy' he is not referring to the status of the objects of his derision.

It's the deep, human repulsion he manages to express about the goings-on of our would-be over-lords as he recounts their crimes to us in a condensed synopsis of horror, almost day-by-day: at a wry - but not disengaged - remove.

Do y'all have any idea what kind of stress that must entail? Do you understand the rhetorical and personal tight-wire this guy walks, day after Mother-Loving day? I really don't think you do.

I love this guy. What a great essay.

The links to the Taliban capitulation signals, alone, are worth the price of admission. And the depiction of the nasty little dictator in his bunker and the implicit links with our hideous Little Boots wanna-be are classic. If I had any money, I would pony-up. But I already sent it to Arthur...

Chris, please hang in there. You work so hard for 'no one,' and yet some of us really do care.

Scott

 
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brodix said:

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Chris,

I've always admired you for your empathy, even though it seemed futile, but I think you are starting to grasp a deeper and darker reality here. There are forces at work that far transcend this thin layer of human emotional connectivity that either shreds us, or steels us. Reality is in many ways an illusion. Physicists keep banging smaller and smaller particles together, like some ancient Greek thought experiment, trying to find the the prime state, but only find deeper layers of activity holding up the one above. Life has been a bootstrap process of creating and consuming itself to build ever more complex layers of awareness and connectivity. We can cry over the pile of blood that put us where we are, or we can try to reach the next step up. Otherwise we fall back into the abyss. Good and bad are not some existential dual between light and dark. They are the basic binary code of biological calculation. Single celled organisms distinguish between beneficial and detrimental. Our bodies, our selves and our environments are making infinite numbers of these calculations every moment and by the time it reaches the level of what we perceive, the decision has been made in the distinction. Will isn't free, it's power. It benefits our survival. Otherwise, we have no will, or anything else. Throughout history we have found the power lays in what benefits the most people and this gives us the power of numbers, but now we are reaching the edge of our little petri dish and that calculation is not as operative. What is the next step? We have been the top predator in the global ecosystem, but it is collapsing and our emergent position is vulnerable. Yes, there are emergent levels of control over ours, but the same processes which lead us to manipulate nature, lead others to manipulate us and they depend on our cooperation, as we depend on nature remaining benign. In the biological context, the choice is now between transitioning to being the central nervous system of the global organism, or consider it stillborn and descend into the level of bacteria consuming the corpse. Obviously the current power structure views the later option as the next step, but they are at the top of their cycle and are looking down. For those of us still looking up, it is quite interesting to watch this elite consuming its monetary reins of control, but how do we step into the gap and not let society be destroyed in the process?
I suggest a plan to co-opt the reins of power, the monetary system. Here is an essay Tod Davies published of mine, some years ago;
http://www.exterminatingangel....Itemid=118
Here is a follow up from earlier this year;
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/...-doctrine/
Here is a similar argument that puts it in a larger context;
http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/monetary-proposal/
What Ms. Brown doesn't emphasize though is that an effective banking system must be bottom up, incorporated at all levels of government and separate institutions in all communities, so that they feed funds directly back into the communities which produced the profits and not skimmed off by larger institutions where they will only foster corruption. As the old saying goes, money is like shit. Put it in a pile and it just smells, but spread it around and it makes good fertilizer. Obviously there would develop feedback loops between these structures, but they grow over time.

P.S,
Chris, Between black and white, it's not just shades of grey, but all the colors of the spectrum. I admire your ability to channel the agony, but healing involves some often brutal and messy triage. Keep in mind that George Bush has done more to destroy the powers that be than you or I could ever imagine doing. Life is like that sometimes.
 
October 07, 2008
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blue ox babe said:

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I love when a commenter like "brodix" pretends to be the New Messiah, and politely denigrates Mr Floyd's analysis. Damnation by faint praise may work with the robot stooges, but it's not persuasive to me, not in the least.

Blah blah blah, brodix. Blah blah blah.

I'm not saying Chris Floyd is infallible, nor that I worship him, nor that he knows everything.

I'm saying that brodix pretends to be saying one thing, while saying yet another.
 
October 07, 2008
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brodix said:

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That's a first for me. Thanks bob! Though I get from your tone, you'd have me drinking the hemlock, or nailed up on the cross. Admittedly I don't sugarcoat my thoughts, but than this is Chris Floyd.
Didn't mean to offend, but if you read some history, you might find it's pretty much how its always been and the mass media to tell us about it doesn't change much.
I guess if I want the gold watch, I'd better just tell people what they want to hear.
 
October 07, 2008 | url
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blue ox babe said:

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Another attempt at dissembling, another failure. I suggest you go hang out with Ron Bailey at Reason magazine, you and he are twin sons of different mothers.
 
October 07, 2008
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brodix said:

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Dissemble from what? You haven't said anything other than accuse me of insulting Chris Floyd, who, given what he's been through and puts himself through, probably is tougher than both of us.
If you don't understand what I'm saying, ask me to clarify it. If you have a specific disagreement, state it.
 
October 07, 2008
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Donald L. Smith said:

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Brodix said-
Keep in mind that George Bush has done more to destroy the powers that be than you or I could ever imagine doing. Life is like that sometimes.

How is that?
I do not see the mob armed with pitchforks storming the Evil One's castle anytime soon.
We as a society on this planet have suffered the deaths of Millions, the waste of treasure and resources beyond measure, and the same predatory systems remain in place, killing more, stealing more, and allowing the mob to believe that there will be "justice" in some sort of bullshit kharmic way.
When a few that gain security from the system in place are no longer able to manipulate popular ideas, when people refuse to cooperate with madmen, then, perhaps, things will turn around.
For now, fear and ignorance are the most powerful tools of the sociopaths at the helm.
To appeal to their courts, legislatures, and the whole corrupt system is as mad as they.
An insight shift of great magnitude is needed.
Mr. Floyd helps that day to come.
 
October 07, 2008
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brodix said:

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Don,

This has been building since WWII in terms of a military industrial complex that is in many ways a pork program, supporting and supported by a financial Ponzi scheme which has sucked as much value as it can out of the worlds ecosystem and people. Bush has abused and corrupted the military in ways that will become increasingly apparent as the monetary system supporting it crumbles. We will likely be leaving the Middle East for the very simple reason that we cannot afford the privatized substructure on which the military depends. Not only is our economy a bubble, but so is the monetary system on which it is based. Rather than letting the economy tank and save the currency, as Hoover did, for the last thirty years economic problems have been papered over with ever looser money. That's the real reason for the sub-prime, the derivatives and all the other credit bubbles. They were need to grow to absorb the money. To save money, it has to be invested, i.e.. lent to someone. Much of it we have been trading for oil and manufactured good from overseas, but that money mostly comes back to be invested here. It could have been kept growing for a few more decades, but Bush just let the system run wild and now it's crashing. Meanwhile the military, which is often the fallback institution for despotically inclined regimes, has been buried in the Middle East and demoralized. People can be real sheep when they have some faith in those in control, but Bush has pretty much smashed the royal scepter. So now go back and read the link I provided to Ellen Brown's site; http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/monetary-proposal/

A public banking system, incorporated at all the various levels of governmental organization, from the smallest towns to cities, states and even a few national ones, would be used to fund those levels of government and this would limit the ability of large governments and corporations from having monopoly control over the money supply and the ability to channel it to military waste and political hubris. As well as providing a model the rest of the world might use to strengthen their local states and communities, thus giving them the ability to withstand outside economic control.
 
October 07, 2008
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arthurdecco said:

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Thank you for your commentary, brodix. I'll be reading your links. I have to say I admire your restraint in the face of the rude, ad Hominum onslaught you were subjected to here. I'm never as sanguine when faced with belligerence like that. I usually tell them to get stuffed. or worse. (wink lol)
 
October 08, 2008
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brodix said:

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arthur,

Thanks for the support. People are naturally touchy when they feel threatened and the situation is threatening, so I try to respond to ideas rather then emotions. There is a natural political dichotomy, in that people are led with hope, or herded with fear, but my feeling is that they should mostly have the information to make rational decisions, as we all can be deluded by both.

While I've been working this idea over for years in my own head and only recently came across Ms. Brown's similar approach, it is interesting to watch the situation fall into place, as the world's banking system is being rapidly nationalized. So the next step is to simply break it up and redistribute it to the level of local governance, rather than spend hundreds of billions to patch it up and return it to the private sector. If this choice can be clearly put in front of the public, I think the momentum would carry in the direction of community banking. A little bit of leverage at the right point can be more effective then all the force in the world, wrongly applied, as Bush is finding.
I do have a great deal of respect for Chris, as I am one of those who do turn away from the horror. Emotionally I have very definite limits in which I can operate before my emotional immune system kicks in and I start shutting it all out. The fact is that more people are like me, then have as strong stomachs as Chris, so I realize problems do not get solved because they exist, but because the solutions are possible. That why I'm making this very small effort to try kicking some ideas into the mix. As time goes on, larger media sources will become more open in this idea. If this puts me up for a messiahship, I'll pass on the attention and just send it viral. Nails in the skin clash with my delicate sensibilities.
 
October 08, 2008
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sk said:

October 08, 2008
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420 said:

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Good essay, but you didn't mention the main victory of the brutal occupation of Afghanistan: the heroin is still flowing, and the CIA still has AIG to launder its narcotics profits.
 
October 08, 2008
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brodix said:

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Interesting article. One point to note is that Russia recovered from the crash of Soviet Union largely on the strength of its oil, gas and mineral reserves. The US doesn't have that pot of gold in the back room and its economic bubble is much larger than the Soviets ever dreamed. While we don't consist of deep rooted ethnic populations occupying different regions, which led to the break up of the Soviet Union, the stresses on this country are going to be huge. If the powers that be capitulate on the dollar, holders of our debt are going to be trading it for whatever isn't bolted down and much that is. It's hard to believe they won't, eventually, since they have been pilling up debt to support the dollar for a generation. People don't quite appreciate the power of debt, but consider the consequences of taking out loans on your house until you owe more then it's worth. Well, we are doing that with our government. The people who tell us we don't have to pay taxes, so vote for them, then turn around and run up the deficit, borrowing from the people paying for their campaigns. When it does crash and our government gets foreclosed on, the people who will own it are the ones who were so nice to lend us the money, because they didn't pay us enough to live like they do. It is not going to be pretty. That's why the concept of money must be reconsidered, not as private property to be monopolized by those with the least scruples, but as a public utility to which we are all responsible and to which we all have rights.
 
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My father the atomic physicist cold warrior who at the onset of American 911 wrath said 'We should just nuke 'em all', has come around some and recognizes the folly, if not the cost of the last eight years. One might view that as a glimmer of hope in some abstract, bottom-feeding way for my egalitarian and well below the poverty cap artist/painter outlook, that if a raging xenophobe like my not exactly stupid but so indoctrinated father is coming around to reality...
But it's not, and this country is ruined on so many levels. Never mind our cycle of overseas slaughter as we topple systems that won't support our resource grabbing steamroller, the boys on high are pretty effective here at home too, and everything appears (and so very much is) counter-intuitive. Our justice system is a sham, health care or lack thereof, edjumukation and just about every nook and crony I can think of is ass-backward. If the Department of Motor Vehicles required competency in the operation of a motor vehicle before handing out the death slips so much blood and treasure would be spared-- but they don't, and the bodies keep feeding the insurance hustlers, health care cons, Highway Patrol Brown-shirts and myriad insatiable mouths of the infinite-headed American Hydra. We're screwed, and as the worldwide hatred we excel at finally attains critical mass the chickens will return home to roost as we pass beyond the event horizon into a darkness previously known but to our victims.
It seems to me that our Afghan interests go right to the heart of the Bush family's dark economic and heroin happy heart. Grandpa was no fool like 'King' George Walker. He recognized the the British could not have built their empire to such a large scale without Opium. Slaves were good, but addiction was and is number one. Both India's subjugation and China's enslavement couldn't have been done without it. Grindpa (sic) saw this and became the largest American investor in IG Farbin, the folks who put Bayer Aspirin on the market months after they introduced Heroin. Obviously a good bet, he passed the key to the secret kingdom on to his son George Herbert, who as the Curtis Lemay of Air America brought all that white gold over from Southeast Asia. The 'Boy' King George hasn't missed a beat, and the many heroin using artists and musicians I know in America not doing Mexican Tar, which I would guess is three in four, tell me that Afghanistan has a very good quality product.
 
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